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Postby swans05 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:14 am

starts, middle, finish? you must have one or you'd be on your way to beijing

at the moment i would say strength as mentioned above
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Postby Dalton85 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 4:20 am

i mean
probably starts

and...top speed could ALWAYS use work you know

accelerantion

and id like to have my feet on the ground longer
cause i came up with a theory that the longer your feet are on the ground the more strength you can put into the...steps?
i dunno.
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Postby Boss on Sat Apr 19, 2008 5:13 pm

Possible theory yes, however you could argue that any muscle power you are propelling into the Feet, is lost a bit more, having more contact with the ground, so you don't retain as much force pushing you forward.

Couldn't say that for certain though.

It's actually a similar thing to a Cricket Ball. A Cricketer who's bowling could pitch at 90mph+ if he's listed as a fast bowler and has that pace, but the ball will never leave the ground at 90mph+ after pitching, you're probably going to lose roughly 10-15mph depending on how far away the ball pitches, and if it hits any foot marks or spike holes for example.

In the case of running, you obviously wouldn't lose that much, but my theory is, the more contact you get with the ground, the more energy release you lose by ground aborbtion or some such process.

I doubt at 15 you'd have had a chance of going to Beijing anyway, as I think you might have been too young, but 2012 isn't out of the question when you're 19.

Could be a question of mass, or even possibly trying a Creatine. As Creatine is allowed on an IOC list, (even Colin Jackson used it), there wouldn't be any issues with you using it.
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Postby swans05 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 7:43 pm

**** no...

the quicker the contact time, the quicker you'll be...if you spend 5secs on the ground you'll run 15sec 100's...you want to be able to tap the ground as quickly as ou can but exert a s**tload of force at the same time

think of a lucker band...if you pull it back quickly and far, it will bounce back quickly and powerfully...this is how muscles work to some extent
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Postby Dalton85 on Sun Apr 20, 2008 5:49 pm

well my theory is crushed.

creatine?
i dont understand how creatine would help because from what i have learned so far:
creatine makes your cells hold more water so they enlarge...is that correct
thats in a nutshell..
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Postby Boss on Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:36 pm

Creatine can cause water retention, but it also can increase power putput.

As an example Colin Jackson had a 110m hurdles record which stood for about 11 years, until last year when a Chinese athlete sneaked it off him, and he was a Gold medal winning athlete for Britain.

It's not on an IOC list, so it's perfectly acceptable to use in sports, pretty much in any sort of sport.
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Postby Dalton85 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:30 am

whats IOC?

also i thought water retention was what creatine was all about
how can it increase power since it doesnt have any sort of protein or..."compound" in it
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Postby Tonyc on Mon Apr 21, 2008 4:53 pm

Dalton85 wrote:well im going up to ohio to live with my dad for the summer

i will have access to a nice gym and a track
and my dads a personal trainer/was a full scholarship quarterback/state champ track star

so im set

my weaknesses runningwise?
not sure...


i used to use the parachute to do sprints and it worked very will i ran the 400 and once i would hit the 200m mark i could start my "sprint" from there as though it was a 200m and i could hold it for about 180m
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Postby Boss on Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:11 pm

IOC= Intermational Olympic Committee.

Creatine is not on a list of disallowed substances, so it's okay for even Olympic athletes to use.

No creatine doesn't have a protein, but it is a combination of 3 amino acids in its basic form as I remember, and can increase power. One of the Aminos it has in it is Arginine. One of Arginines functions being it's ability to either convert to, or trigger, more Nitric Oxide, which Vasodilates bloodvessels allowing more Blood flow.

If you think about that in terms of Sprinting, that would coneceivably reduce Oxygen depletion in muscles, if more Blood and also Haemaglobin, the Oxygen transporter in Blood, can then get into muscles, and cut depletion.

It involves a process called the Krebs cycle, which is responsible for the conversion of one Phosphate to another, but also for the power output.

Creatine does retain water, but owing to power increases, and effects on Fast Twitch Muscle Fibre response, any negative power to weight ratio change, is negated.
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Postby Dalton85 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:57 pm

boss - what did you major in in college?

also i learned of the Krebs cycle in Bio...

and also...does CREATINE in general do this..in the pharmacies does the brand matter.
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Postby Boss on Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:41 pm

Dalton85 wrote:boss - what did you major in in college?

also i learned of the Krebs cycle in Bio...

and also...does CREATINE in general do this..in the pharmacies does the brand matter.


You've got good teachers then. I never learned of stuff like that in my days, it was basic stuff about a Mans bits, how you breathe, and what happens when you eat stuff etc etc, and a bit of stuff about Internal organs, when we weren't being told pointless stuff about how plants pollinate.

I didn't major in anything, the system over here doesn't work quite like that.

Truth be known, I obtained 2 computer qualifications, one Qualification in Sociology, and a Maths and English, all at a basic level. Never had ambitions to get Braniac syle qualifications, just some stuff to show for my education, instead of a piece of headed paper saying I suck butt ;).

Creatine Brand does not matter much, although there are many differing types, including Monohydrate, Kre-alkalyn, Ethyl-Esther, Buffered, Malate etc etc.

I've never looked into many, but I did use Creatine years ago, for stupid reasons, and stopped for more sensible reasons, like cost, crap performance etc etc, but then supplementing like that instead of being more diet focused, will almost certainly give dud results.

I'd probably get more benefit off one now, but wouldn't bother. No point for my needs.

The only main difference with some Creatines is Water retention levels. For example CEE, claims to be water retention free, Kre-alkalyn supposedly has less than Mono, but more than CEE.

Some claimed after about 6-12 months of CEE being commercially available, it couldn't bypass enzymes in the gut, meaning the Esther, (a type of Fat), Bond suppsoedly broke off, giving you a fancy Monohydrate type leftover.

Also it was supposedly not 100% safe.

Some claim a Kre-alakalyn manufacturer put this about, to spook people off CEE, and back to Kre, which was launched about 12-24 months prior to CEE.

I did also hear one time, Creatine is actually produced, certainly in America by two companies, I don't know who, and other companies who sell it, would therefore be using one or the other manufactuirers raw ingredient, but brand it, market it and sell it in their name.
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Postby Dalton85 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:17 am

for the record, im taking creatine monohydrate.

right after workout

i drink buttloads of water
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Postby swans05 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:22 am

i think you need 2 doses a day, before (morning or 1hr before) and after..not sure though, i don't need supp's

that being said you can a s**tload of gains from doing a decent wts program which i would strongly suggest and leave creatine for later..why waste money when you can get the same results for free?

i don't simply sprinting and taking creatine will work properly to be honest
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Postby Dalton85 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:04 pm

well since im done with track for the season since my school would rather me keep my grades up (I KNOW WTFFF)
i was pressured into joining baseball and lacrosse mid-season but i declined them, id rather just keep lifting and working on my speed
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Postby swans05 on Sat Sep 13, 2008 1:39 am

lift for strength buddy, not size
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